And it turns out that like uh these these animals whose survival depends heavily on cooperation and and working within a hierarchy, they totally have instincts to do that almost effortlessly. It's very low stress. They just can't do it with unrelated wolves in a prison. And so, like, like in and human beings I think are the same way. We have these circuits of hierarchy, we have, and that in my opinion, is is the root of the state. And you can you can you can complain about uh cynical or tyrannical or vicious exercise of or or or or exploitation of those instincts of hierarchy.
It's I so I I I did a speech in Portland, I call it the feudal instinct. It's the instinct um to to abstract the relationship within a family, the love that exists within a family to a broader context. That's why we have patriarchy and patronage and patrimony and patriotism, all these things are abstractions of the relationship between a father and a son. And that's a totally healthy relationship, and it's a totally natural relationship. And and you are built to have those hierarchies, you're built to crave those hierarchies.