Is Ethnicity Relevant to Immigration? 81% Said Yes

um i put agree for this one yeah i think i think i think you put disagree uh so i'll continue on the sort of beat that i the beat that i was on which is like i it does seem like it matters and i'm not i'm not a determinist uh you know about this in any way but you can you know look around the room and who came out to this discussion tonight and who's interested in the free state movement and this kind thing and it it doesn't seem wholly random you know and so uh i would i would not embrace determinative determinism around ethnicity but it does seem like it's a signal it seems it's part it's information it's not it's not something that if you know we could disregard entirely and so that would be my position is that it's allowed to be weighed it's allowed to be a factor um and so i don't know if you want to yeah i i think the key is it comes back to the idea of you know what the core core values are that people have when when they come in and the reason i said no is because i definitely agree there is big ethnic differences like i mentioned earlier the sort of screwball countries and screwball people and countries which have a high number of screwballs you know pakistan is an interesting example

is a huge huge country i think it's 240 million people it's almost as big as america and they have people that are very very low education and and very different values than a lot of us in new hampshire and in america and they have some of the they but because it's so huge they have uh you know millions of engineers and phds and they have billionaires and multi-millionaires and there's a very very big difference from somebody in pakistan who doesn't know how to read or somebody who is has a 40 million dollar net worth and they're you know they went to school here and they run a tech company i mean it's a night and day difference and i think the core thing we would want to look at um beyond just that and that you know ethnicity is a signal you know and there and pakistan is a is an example where there's a lot of good in pakistan there's there's probably you know even if it's only 10 or 20 that's 40 million potential good people from pakistan that could come here now there may be a hundred million that would not be in that benefit i'd put it lower but i would agree it's not but but 10 percent the top 10 percent is is is very educated is you know a lot of a lot of people that would share values but whatever there are countries like senegal where it's it's not 10

it might be one percent or less than one percent where where where where the overwhelming majority of the people if they're from senegal yes there is a one percent but it's kind of like one percent you know it's it's like a 90 something percent chance that they're not gonna jive uh well i'm i would say i'm probably cooler on pakistan than than you are um but no i i get what you're saying uh you know pakistan um is on my list i one of the things i found interesting is that if you actually study the rate of cousin marriage um uh throughout history uh cousin marriage highly correlates with clannishness uh which is like uh this concern about um my sub clan my not even ethnic group but like this these much tighter uh groups and you know western european western european society had the lowest rates of cousin marriage and it has this the most universalist kind of ideologies where uh people believe in moral universalism and they want to extend rights to everyone and and at the other end you have societies which were um you know a lot of um a lot of arranged marriages a lot of intrafamilial marriages and this resulted in dispositions which are much less universalist and much more focused on

uh the clan and the group um pakistan is near the top of the charts uh in some of these measures by my understanding but also to give you a point and this is why i think these issues are complex you know when i was doing my work with um library i would meet all these we had all these open source repos and we would sometimes get interesting contributors and one time i got and i would always message if someone did something interesting i'd always message them and reach out and and and try to talk to them and one time i got on a call with an interesting contributor and it was a 16 year old kid from pakistan and his dad was on the phone and he was like have you ever heard of this thing called unschooling and this is a real phone call that i had happen and so you know i do i'm i i i would always consider the fact i i would not disregard pakistani ethnicity if you gave me two people with the same list of facts about them you know i would and one of them was a german and one of them was from pakistan i would take i would take the german that's not a claim there's no but i would i would say that like it's not zero information but it's not it's not deterministic and so that's fair uh that's

that's sort of where i'm at on that and to be fair if you have 500 cousins you might want to marry