Do Nations Owe Foreigners Anything?

i said what did i this one i was close on because it really depends what you mean by you disagree yeah i said i said uh disagree okay it depends what you mean by minimal we might be fairly i think you probably said agree i did say agree with this one and this doesn't mean that i might you're not want to help someone other side i might not want to help someone um in another country but i believe you know if i'm part of a polity if i'm part of a country or a nation it's it's to protect or help defend you know the rights of the people who are uh a part of it um you know that we we shouldn't have uh my my nation shouldn't be giving you know much consideration uh to people who aren't part of my nation that that's not my nation's job my nation is to protect the other citizens the residents of the of the country yeah and i agree on that i think it really comes down to you know on this one i was some of these were some of these are kind of nuanced you know it's it's it depends on your definition with the question with uh minimal it depends what you mean by minimal you know we do have some obligations to foreigners i think they they should have some right to due process for example they should have right to the basics that we believe in you know life liberty and property you don't

want to have somebody come here and know that well if an american robs them nobody's going to care you know then there are countries like that there are countries where if you go there and it's uh i mean there's states that are sort of like that in some ways but you know if the local versus a foreigner the local is always going to win and then they and then i think that's bad ethically and morally for the country i think that uh you know so that's what i meant by minimal i think that we should have you know if somebody comes here they they don't they i agree they shouldn't have the same privileges i view america should be like a private club and it and it shouldn't be for everybody and it should be considered a privilege to be an american um but if somebody comes here and they are a guest because they've come in our borders they should have minimal like it like it says you know some sort of minimal um you know we have a minimal obligation to them that we're that they know that they are not going to be robbed and they'll say oh sorry you know the the robber was american tough ha ha go away which does happen in some countries you know there are places where if you go up against a local you will

lose all the time in a court or you know the the cops will show up and they're gonna side with the local every time and i and those are usually not great places and and also there is we are it sounds cheesy but we are part of a global community i mean the whole rest of the world does affect us when we have billions and billions of poor people when they have strife and war and other but that's about us but that can easily be reframed as as that's affecting us so that you know right but that stuff that the if bad things happen in the world it does it does affect us so we want to be uh that example of a shining hell on this you know shining city on the hill whatever okay all right and i didn't hear too much that i would disagree with but the concern to me there is you know the the disagree where i we have a system of of you know refugees people seeking asylum and a lot of the argument here is that we have this obligation to help these uh you know people and i am not i would i'm not even saying that we shouldn't i guess i probably would say we shouldn't when we're getting into any kind of coercive taxation of course system but like i just i don't i don't believe like it's nice if you can

help these people you know but there are billions of people maybe not billions there's a lot of people in the world who don't you know have it as as well as americans uh i don't i do believe americans have have for the most part earned that and if you start saying well we have these people have it worse and so therefore that it you know entitles an obligation to help them you know soon you've got an america with two billion people in it because there's all kinds of people you could who would be better off if they were here and we have this and so i guess so maybe if you if you believe we have a more than minimal how are you drawing that that line i was thinking more about their rights when you say help help is a different word i don't think we're obligated to help people and i do agree with you on that um and the world is a very very big place there are one billion people who do not have a toilet in the world they don't have a toilet i mean do you know your life expectancy drops by 20 years if you don't have a toilet i mean it's this is inconceivable to even the poorest people in america you can't conceive of like oh you're gonna live 20 years less because they have no toilet you know there's there's

a couple billion people who live on you know somewhere less than seven eight dollars a day you know and and uh no we're not obligated to help them because it's not possible and uh and uh and also nobody's obligated to help anybody so help is a different word than you know kind of the the you know they have we have a moral obligation to have you know some kind of rights for them i see okay so an obligation to respect their rights versus an obligation to yeah yeah we don't know owe anybody nobody owes anybody else's uh you know wages or anything or labor to somebody else okay i think