Do Libertarians Need an Immigration System? Even Without a Welfare State?

immigration system is necessary even without a welfare state what did you have for this i said i agree i i agreed with that yeah as well yeah

i think you have to have you have to have you know

a lot of people say open borders and i think that's kind of naive you you can't just have totally open there has to be some sort of system so um yeah i

i wouldn't i wouldn't say that you won't you want

nothing you've got to have some system yeah and i i

so i think this one is interesting because once you're sort of away from that pure open borders there's no right to interference you've kind of to some degree embraced empirical questions

around what works and what doesn't you know what

once you say well there has to be some kind of system the questions become

well what type of system

works for what we want to accomplish it's not this purest position around well you know nothing can

ever be

be done and so i think i actually think if if if

you know sort of pro-liberty-minded people

are agreed on that you know because there is this talking point that oh if we just got rid of the welfare state you know then we could have open borders um i'm not inclined to agree something i've

seen

living in new hampshire you've seen it too i think is you know there are a lot of people who disagree with us on a lot of things you know if something like covet happened again you know i don't care if you're a net economic contributor i you know i care if you're if you're you know gonna uh you

know be

tyrannous towards me right you know and so i think there has to be some consideration of this stuff

beyond just you know net net economic factors yeah i think that we we have to look at what is ideal what

we wish as people who care about liberty and what the real world is and the welfare

state is part of the

real world i think we would probably all want somewhat more immigration if we didn't have the welfare state but there has to be some kind of controls you know that for me the big issues are the welfare state if we could eliminate the welfare state that would be a huge step i would want to move much towards much more more open immigration if we could solve the crime which fortunately in new hampshire is not as bad as other places but it's still bad enough and it's terrible in places like california so uh you know solving the crime and then the issue that you mentioned you know particularly if you allow voting uh people who come in and either vote or in other other means other than voting try and interfere with your liberty but if we could solve those things that that would be i'd be in favor of you know those are really the only issues that i would have

with immigrants pretty much you know broadly uh if we could solve those things then i'd be in favor of letting a lot more people in okay i could uh

push back on that a little bit or explore a little bit